tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post4793919898451763497..comments2024-01-11T10:25:57.007+00:00Comments on Labour of Gove: More on Tory Cuts: Stupid Protectionist Viral Gets RiposteChris Paulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-70696666393579810832009-02-19T08:06:00.000+00:002009-02-19T08:06:00.000+00:00Tory greed? FFS buddy - nah, this is Labour. What ...Tory greed? FFS buddy - nah, this is Labour. What Sir, are you on abaht?Dick the Prickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02683095612320513712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-77727918496551924352009-02-19T08:02:00.000+00:002009-02-19T08:02:00.000+00:00How can you get screwed over 20k? I put it to you ...How can you get screwed over 20k? I put it to you that losing your job is more emotional.<BR/><BR/>20k is a living wage - and 10% goes a loooooooooooong way.<BR/><BR/>Downward rigidities dontcha knowDick the Prickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02683095612320513712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-75899363145179810642009-02-18T19:16:00.000+00:002009-02-18T19:16:00.000+00:001) ConHome doesn't make or announce Tory policy......1) ConHome doesn't make or announce Tory policy...they are not Draperlist you know.<BR/><BR/>2) Really? Maybe you should and read Ipsos/Mori website and get confirmation of that...or maybe not.<BR/><BR/>Stop it Chris, you are looking increasingly desperate.Houdinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02299827686189026014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-45331125628143808562009-02-18T17:08:00.000+00:002009-02-18T17:08:00.000+00:001. Says Conservative Home without a great deal of ...1. Says Conservative Home without a great deal of contradictions from any reader or writer.<BR/><BR/>2. The poll lead is quite high, but we've been here before not so long ago. Mine down into the data and you'll find a hell of a lot of DKs and WSs. Making the exercise unreliable in the extreme.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-27476173254225602042009-02-18T09:30:00.000+00:002009-02-18T09:30:00.000+00:00ternal truths. The Tories mean to cut billions off...<I>ternal truths. The Tories mean to cut billions off public spending while giving the rich tax breaks.</I><BR/><BR/>Says who? I have seen where a <I>report</I> says that an incoming Government may be forced to make that amount, but no commitment or announcement from the Tories. You cannot claim a truth by plucking a figure out of a hat from one body and attributing it to another. That is negative campaigning and is what killed Labour through the 80's. Besides, you can tell it isn't a Tory policy because Brown and Labour haven't announced it as their own. As for tax breaks for the rich...same scenario, unless of course you mean like tax and child credits for those on 60k a year? Or scrapping the 10p band?<BR/><BR/><I>And the 20% lead is illusory. half the electorate ain't saying which is something they tend to do when they don't think there's an election in the offing. the so called "second figures" quoted by ipsos MORI show 38-31-19.</I><BR/><BR/>If it was illusory the pollsters, whose reputation rests on getting these things broadly right, they would be stating exactly that position. The reason they arrive at that <I>weighted</I> figure is through more than just a guess, and Ipsos/Mori have traditionally been more pro-Labour. The figure isn't far off, and could be more.<BR/><BR/>If you want to be taken seriously Chris, and if Labour want to limit their damage at the next election, negative campaigning on lies is not the way to go; the electorate is more sophisticated than ever and can check the voracity of claims online in seconds. But if you want to cut taxes, we could start with the eye watering 70billiopn handed out to useless quangos that Brown said he would rid us of in 1997, but expanded nearly 500% instead. Voters now understand the lie of claiming that cuts mean a cut in essential public services, and this is again a reason not to trumpet this line.<BR/><BR/>Labour is drowning in a sea of financial and moral corruption and hypocrisy, and the only way back is to be positive; you are not helping.Houdinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02299827686189026014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-37418766905365327842009-02-18T08:31:00.000+00:002009-02-18T08:31:00.000+00:00PS - Dick I did notice you said over 20k presumabl...PS - Dick I did notice you said over 20k presumably meaning that the low paid public service workers see no cut, whereas the low to middle clerical and the higher manual and trades get screwed. A taste of things to come perhaps. Meanwhile bankers at the high end will still be getting contractual six and seven figure bonuses. Why should NHS or town hall workers pay for Tory greed? Cos that's what's got us into this mess. Gordon should have never trusted the greedy bastards to be reasonable and trustworthy. They didn't and they ain't.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile the "Honest food" viral - the point of this post along with a quick response - is still an unpalatable, jingoistical, protectionist, dishonest, dog whistle mess.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-46871271846505339822009-02-18T08:26:00.000+00:002009-02-18T08:26:00.000+00:00Houdini: This is not a case of "as 1984" it is a c...Houdini: This is not a case of "as 1984" it is a case of eternal truths. The Tories mean to cut billions off public spending while giving the rich tax breaks. Vive le difference. And the 20% lead is illusory. half the electorate ain't saying which is something they tend to do when they don't think there's an election in the offing. the so called "second figures" quoted by ipsos MORI show 38-31-19.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-33064681503133318222009-02-18T08:22:00.000+00:002009-02-18T08:22:00.000+00:00Your spelling may be atrocious Dick but I'm more w...Your spelling may be atrocious Dick but I'm more worried about sense and sensibility. What are you on abaht?Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-52227929410131920012009-02-17T20:34:00.000+00:002009-02-17T20:34:00.000+00:00OT - Prezza doing an interview on the BBC outside ...OT - Prezza doing an interview on the BBC outside that Chinese restaurant that was in the programme on 'class' he did. Slipped out between after the starter!!<BR/><BR/> (My spelling is atrocious)Dick the Prickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02683095612320513712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-81716722978943171702009-02-17T20:31:00.000+00:002009-02-17T20:31:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dick the Prickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02683095612320513712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-48651402053045349192009-02-17T20:29:00.000+00:002009-02-17T20:29:00.000+00:00Chris - err.. that's why I said over £20k thereby ...Chris - err.. that's why I said over £20k thereby not applicable to those on low wages. Hmm. People should be chuffed that they have a job and the fact that interest rates have plummeted along with inflation should have saved them a penny or loads.<BR/><BR/> They then have reassurance that there jobs are safe for the next budgetary year and can look people in the face.Dick the Prickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02683095612320513712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-2354125141428688352009-02-17T19:19:00.000+00:002009-02-17T19:19:00.000+00:00Labour are now 20% behind in the polls, and you ar...Labour are now 20% behind in the polls, and you are deciding to fight the fight as of about 1984? Here's a sorry little tale for you...Labour have been in power for the last 12 years and have messed up<BR/><BR/>Negative campaigning is now seen for what it is; desperate measures. It will make Labour fall further behind in the polls.<BR/><BR/>You never know, and here's hoping, maybe the LimpDums will be the opposition next time...now there's a delicious thought!Houdinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02299827686189026014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-40545749898362110912009-02-17T18:59:00.000+00:002009-02-17T18:59:00.000+00:00Bollocks Dick. 10% cut over 20k? What on earth are...Bollocks Dick. 10% cut over 20k? What on earth are you on? <BR/><BR/>The majority of public sector earners are already on relatively low pay. <BR/><BR/>The "Honest Food" message from that Right Herbert is a shocking unthought through dog whistle mess. <BR/><BR/>And the unspecified but wassive public services cuts would be a massive redistribution from poorest to richest.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-38260790981719320022009-02-17T17:58:00.000+00:002009-02-17T17:58:00.000+00:00Good. How's about an instant 10% cut in all public...Good. How's about an instant 10% cut in all public sector wages over 20k? Especially all politicians - shows leadership what what.<BR/><BR/>If you hadn't noticed Chris - Blighty is skint.Dick the Prickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02683095612320513712noreply@blogger.com