tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post5050562894302277815..comments2024-01-11T10:25:57.007+00:00Comments on Labour of Gove: Another Star Blogger Comments: Will Dale Correct Error?Chris Paulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-15159479280383906692007-12-10T14:51:00.000+00:002007-12-10T14:51:00.000+00:00It is interesting , but Iain is right there are l...It is interesting , but Iain is right there are lots of respectable figures to tell you about the size of the state and equally the performance of the main servicesThey have not risen much and arguably worsened in the case of education, crime etc. Not great certainly .<BR/>One feels far more regulated as well which , I suppose , is anecdotal .<BR/><BR/>How did Brewster brown spend the momney on nothing then ?Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-3502920751053491132007-12-10T13:42:00.000+00:002007-12-10T13:42:00.000+00:00Thanks all. I don't think Iain's contention that "...Thanks all. I don't think Iain's contention that "bureacrats" have been increased by 100s of 000s bear inspection with national civil service and loca government administration under downward pressure. I just don't think Iain gives a hoot about the truth. He blogs and opines in the DT on instinct and he is often factually wrong.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-14666357939375345202007-12-09T16:39:00.000+00:002007-12-09T16:39:00.000+00:00ChrisHard to distinguish between more practitioner...Chris<BR/>Hard to distinguish between more practitioners(good) and 'bureaucrats' (bad). There can be no doubt at all that the former's number has increased by leaps and bounds but the latter is such a value laden, nebulous concept that I defy any public administration expert, let alone any partisan blogger to put a number to it.skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02632351344359303404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-42267948634863896892007-12-09T15:53:00.000+00:002007-12-09T15:53:00.000+00:00Why, if there are so many new coppers on the stree...Why, if there are so many new coppers on the street, do we see so few "on the beat"?Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-2490596301006273792007-12-09T04:56:00.000+00:002007-12-09T04:56:00.000+00:00...joined the fray...<A HREF="http://www.cassilis.co.uk/2007/12/plague-on-both-your-houses.html" REL="nofollow">...joined the fray...</A>Liam Murrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16493956117016119698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-78323028532807888152007-12-08T18:39:00.000+00:002007-12-08T18:39:00.000+00:00I believe you'll find that it's Iain who is indulg...I believe you'll find that it's Iain who is indulging in the porkies here, attempting to turn doctors, nurses, coppers and teachers into bureaucrats.<BR/><BR/>On my local council, it's clear that considerable savings will have to be made even if we opt for a large council tax rise.<BR/><BR/>There have also been <A HREF="http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/news/finance/thousands-job-cuts-at-hmrc-$458315.htm" REL="nofollow">considerable job cuts</A> at the HMRC.Andreas Patersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06431120459465519240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-61112476505025358402007-12-08T17:22:00.000+00:002007-12-08T17:22:00.000+00:00Chris Paul shame on you! Typical NuLabor speak try...Chris Paul shame on you! <BR/>Typical NuLabor speak trying to turn bureacrats into doctors, nurses and policemen.<BR/>It's the sort of arguments one would expect of the Communist Party in the good old days of the USSR.<BR/>Still it's nice to know there are still some Stalinists left in NuLabor.<BR/>Even if their leader has defected to become Mr. Bean!Barnacle Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17257546424880537005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-6715233683524241352007-12-08T16:44:00.000+00:002007-12-08T16:44:00.000+00:00The number of bureaucrats has not grown by hundred...The number of bureaucrats has not grown by hundreds of thousands. That's a mistake or a lie.<BR/><BR/>Your comment on the earlier post suggests you meant all public sector workers. "Are you really saying that the public sector has contracted?" you ask. <BR/><BR/>That total has grown. I welcome that. More doctors, nurses, police, teachers and so on.<BR/><BR/>But you said bureaucrats. In your title. And in your pay off. 100s of 000s more bureacrats.<BR/><BR/>Realising that you have written a plea for cuts in frontline services which are growing - whereas bureacrats and being reduced - you are again prevaricating and rather pompously.<BR/><BR/>Show us some figures Iain.<BR/><BR/>And stop making grand but untrue generalisations.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-15243213341525947492007-12-08T16:25:00.000+00:002007-12-08T16:25:00.000+00:00Rubbish. I said bureaucrats and that is exactly wh...Rubbish. I said bureaucrats and that is exactly what I meant. Look at how they have grown both in central and local government and quangos. It's why the public sector is now accountable for more than 50% of the Scottish economy, and not far off that in the North East. Far from cutting bureaucracy and the size of the State it has grown hugely under Labour. Any fool can see that. APart from you.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.com