tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post7963791744272565457..comments2024-01-11T10:25:57.007+00:00Comments on Labour of Gove: Richard Littlejohn: Open Season on the Jews?Chris Paulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-17984820939955514052007-07-11T20:35:00.000+01:002007-07-11T20:35:00.000+01:00ChrisI learned about the rise in anti-Jewish attac...Chris<BR/>I learned about the rise in anti-Jewish attacks in Greater Manchester from the film.<BR/>Which is very bad and we must acknowledge that.<BR/>Re NUJ the union does what it's members decide. No other explanation necessary. <BR/>There was a ballot for a political fund - defeated. I voted yes.<BR/>We can't affiliate to a party without a political fund. <BR/>Union conference voted to support a boycott of Israeli goods - not to affiliate to anything.<BR/>Affiliation needs to be agreed by ballot of all members.<BR/>We have recently voted by ballot to affiliate to National Pensioners Convention, No2ID campaign, Cuba Solidarity Campaign.<BR/>And against affiliation to CND.<BR/>I voted yes for all.<BR/>It's democracy bro.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-20545198979989058042007-07-10T12:07:00.000+01:002007-07-10T12:07:00.000+01:00Yep, this was not lost on me. But rejoice! Now thi...Yep, this was not lost on me. But rejoice! Now this twerp understands the whole thing.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-54842023492553557882007-07-10T11:37:00.000+01:002007-07-10T11:37:00.000+01:00Soory to be another anaon, but didn't you love the...Soory to be another anaon, but didn't you love the irony of Nick Cohen sounding off about the left allying itself with racists and homophobes in a cosy chat with Richars 'The Palestinians are the pikeys of the Middle east' Littlejohn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-84231135086657124322007-07-10T10:44:00.000+01:002007-07-10T10:44:00.000+01:00Cheers MatthewCheers MatthewChris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-87435509100948522672007-07-10T10:31:00.000+01:002007-07-10T10:31:00.000+01:00Amazed at Littlejohn's hypocrisy given his disgust...Amazed at Littlejohn's hypocrisy given his disgusting track record. See Johann Hari's article <BR/>http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=631<BR/><BR/>As for the anti-semitism of the left. It is true that there are far-left elements who cross the line eg putting swastikas on the Israel flag. However, going on then say the left in general is anti-semitic is a disgrace. Very often the criticism of "left" anti-semitism tends to be mixed up with what is actually criticism of Israel (as with Littlejohn yesterday). For example, I criticised (quite mildly) Israel's attack on Lebanon last year and was accused of anti-semitism.<BR/>All the best<BR/>Matthew StilesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-15356467071784513542007-07-10T09:12:00.000+01:002007-07-10T09:12:00.000+01:00Have to agree with Mr Paul. Littlejohn is a danger...Have to agree with Mr Paul. Littlejohn is a dangerous lunatic. Now he thinks he understands anti-semitism he is a worse lunatic for it. the programme was all over the place. Crap TV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-29064341281497301662007-07-10T00:32:00.000+01:002007-07-10T00:32:00.000+01:00Miles: The film was tosh. Nothing new or insightfu...Miles: The film was tosh. Nothing new or insightful. Except I didn't know the extent of the security measures at KD. Then again I did have some discussion with someone from the reform synagogue at Jackson's Row and know the premium on security there.<BR/><BR/>If you can explain why NUJ is right to affiliate to a campaign such as this but not to a mainstream party I'm all ears. Does not compute whether one supports a boycott in this case or not.<BR/><BR/>There are at least two problems with the film:<BR/>- Standard of reporting and following from that<BR/>- The bias and generalisations of the content<BR/><BR/>The suggestion that I am deflecting in any way from the problem is really offensive. Seriously.<BR/><BR/>Don't think it did anyone any favours. Miserable.<BR/><BR/>Anon: No you haven't wound me up in the slightest, au contraire peut etre; but that's what trolls do and anonymous blog posters are a right old pain, most of the time.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-63044895110583731022007-07-09T23:54:00.000+01:002007-07-09T23:54:00.000+01:00My point was that sections of the left are fanning...My point was that sections of the left are fanning the flames of anti-semitism and it's getting worse, and that it's a big deal. I wasn't suggesting you supported it in anyway.<BR/><BR/>As for the troll thing, if having a different point of you counts as winding you up, well c'est la vie "pal".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-39495119216189353692007-07-09T23:43:00.000+01:002007-07-09T23:43:00.000+01:00The film had flaws. But one anti-semitic incident ...The film had flaws. <BR/>But one anti-semitic incident is one to many.<BR/>The left has to be absolutely unequivocal about this and not shift the debate to the standard of reporting.<BR/>We must stand shoulder to shoulder with the children of King David's against anyone who would attack them.<BR/>And if I had been a delegate to the NUJ conference I would probably have SUPPORTED the Israel boycott.<BR/>(Well I would have voted with my branch's mandate - but you know what I mean.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-65757045055122370582007-07-09T23:32:00.000+01:002007-07-09T23:32:00.000+01:00Listen pal! I think we agree on some if not most o...Listen pal! I think we agree on some if not most of this. And that if you read my post, written as Littlejohn's road crash played out in slow motion, you would understand that.<BR/><BR/>I have no time for the Hezbollah placards and chants or for their tactics or eventual aims. <BR/><BR/>But I have no time for the punitive bombing of civilians either. Or for building in occupied territories. Or this that and the other.<BR/><BR/>The tie up between SWP and some elements of MAB is at least theoretically troublesome. In practice the elements who take part are not Islamicist lunatics, in my experience.<BR/><BR/>But as I say I think that Respect and StWC have hollowed out the antiwar movement with silly mistakes, impatience and ultraism.<BR/><BR/>Greenstein worries me a bit too - for quite different reasons than yourself I suppose.<BR/><BR/>You are a troll in the sense that you are an anonymous poster in a public forum trying to wind people up, so far just me so that's OK.<BR/><BR/>I don't support the pickets at M&S in Manchester. I don't support the intifada now or propaganda blather that goes with that.<BR/><BR/>I have not been involved in any boycott decision, I think the NUJ (of which I am a renewing member) are crazy to align like this while they won't join a mainstream political party as that would be :<BR/>"Too political".<BR/><BR/>But having said all that I have reaped a whirlwind of hate for trying to present a properly formed and properly passed resolution in one organisation.<BR/><BR/>This concerned twinning/friendship links, it concerned building in the occupied territories, and it concerned the endorsement of that building by a Labour representative.<BR/><BR/>It was shouted and routed out. i was accused of being an anti-semite, a racist, a Trotskyite, a denier of Israel's right to exist, and so on and so forth. I was also sent to Coventry by the attacker - so far for 27 months. This person has also tried to attack me in other ways.<BR/><BR/>In other words I know first hand the difference between criticizing Israel and being anti-semitic. And I understand how easy it is for those offended by even the slightest criticism of Israel to shout "foul" (to foully shout?) and if we allow it to completely close down the debate.<BR/><BR/>I'll check my email with interest.<BR/><BR/>But admit it: as a TV journalist Littlejohn sucks.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-86156705664018376882007-07-09T23:12:00.000+01:002007-07-09T23:12:00.000+01:00I can't post my identity for reasons i've emailed ...I can't post my identity for reasons i've emailed you with. Anyway, what exactly makes me a "troll"?<BR/><BR/>Sure Littlejohn's piece wasn't brilliant, but you'd have to have you head in the sand not to notice the drive by sections of the left against "Zionism". The so-called boycott motions passed by the TandG, Unision, UCU and NUJ conferences are witness to that. As for Greenstein, and I don't use this phrase too often, he's a headcase, who as far as i know doesn't support Israel's right to exist.<BR/><BR/>And what about the "we are all hezbelah now chants", and the lash up between the anti-ward movement and Islamicists?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-52483309638297708682007-07-09T22:32:00.000+01:002007-07-09T22:32:00.000+01:00What are you on about? Good to see you're hiding y...What are you on about? Good to see you're hiding your identity. <BR/><BR/>Makes you a miserable troll that does.<BR/><BR/>I'm prepared to put my name to what I made of this ridiculous oevr-hyped, badly written, badly presented, badly produced little programme.<BR/><BR/>Anecdote upon anecdote and of course generalisation upon generalisation.<BR/><BR/>Of course there is anti-semitism in elements of the left. Of course there is anti-semitism in elements of the right. Of course there is anti-semitism in various other quarters. The mainstream media included.<BR/><BR/>But Littlejohn has had an opportunity and a budget and actually unearthed NOTHING. But this was a very crappy hour of TV. Don't you think?<BR/><BR/>What is your problem with Greenstein? Or more specifically with the points he and others were making about ways forward?<BR/> <BR/>What is your way forward?Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-24619584393857717412007-07-09T22:16:00.000+01:002007-07-09T22:16:00.000+01:00A lot wide of the mark mate. Littlejohn has unear...A lot wide of the mark mate. Littlejohn has unearthed the left's dirty little anti-semitic secret that all too often trades as anti-Zionism. <BR/><BR/>Shame about Greenstein being on. This is the guy who moved the boycott motion at unison conference, and who represents about 1% of Jews.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com