tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post8835642401440336863..comments2024-01-11T10:25:57.007+00:00Comments on Labour of Gove: Man Wit Lib Dems: Does Cash Card Trump Race Card?Chris Paulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-1909735314719041172008-06-03T19:56:00.000+01:002008-06-03T19:56:00.000+01:00I wonder what you make about Yasmin's allegations ...I wonder what you make about Yasmin's allegations that the Labour Party were using racist smears against her. Is she only believable when she makes allegations against the Lib Dems?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-88740003148628732702008-06-03T16:14:00.000+01:002008-06-03T16:14:00.000+01:00Rob's Uncle: Wasn't at the meeting in question and...Rob's Uncle: Wasn't at the meeting in question and have no idea what was said. But I have certainly seen Lib Dem racist name-calling up very close and sexism is well known and reflected in gender balance of parliamentarians for example. Not to mention the appointment of a middle class white man to head the ineffectual "Equality" initiatives.<BR/><BR/>Yasmin specifically denied these kind of charges e.g. <A HREF="http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2007/08/ethnic-cleansing-race-cards-we-have.html?showComment=1188854820000#c6457264748277256129" REL="nofollow">here</A>. Sandiford, who is referred to elliptically, is a pompous blow hard and an extraordinarily patronising man. <BR/><BR/>Yasmin admits that the terms had been used in a response to not being consulted properly compared to white male candidates on boundary change issues. About the process not the people she says.<BR/><BR/>Here Yasmin <A HREF="http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2007/08/ethnic-cleansing-race-cards-we-have.html?showComment=1189902480000#c4929947151638726191" REL="nofollow">reports the conclusions of the enquiry</A> which were hard to escape.<BR/><BR/>There is a lot more material close by these links. What Jackie says is disputed. there can be NO DOUBT that Yasmin was told her race, sex and religion were liabilities. She was even told to go and seek selection in SW England. The appeals and meetings she described seem horrendous in composition and conduct.<BR/><BR/>The disciplining of the scapegoat was half-hearted at best.<BR/><BR/>The continual smears against Labour candidates and activistsin Old Moat in Lib Dem "testimony" is completely groundless and unacceptable. <BR/><BR/>There is even the suggestion that the construction that "XY is not local" is a racial smear. If so then for example Cllr John Grant was repeatedly guilty of such smearage against the muslim woman Amina Lone. Also attacked I'm told by both Tories and Lib Dems for being a single mum.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-75128282902836790622008-06-03T15:47:00.000+01:002008-06-03T15:47:00.000+01:00TK: The "real" Tim Kinsella is imaginery anyway so...TK: The "real" Tim Kinsella is imaginery anyway so I'm not about to have the IP-police launch an investigation "Tim". <BR/><BR/>The unwinnability is not according to Me or Yasmin. It is according to Withington Lib Dems, not least the scapegoat who was disciplined for saying and writing such things.<BR/><BR/>The donation from Mr Rana is EXTRAORDINARY under any circumstances. And his candidacy when he lives in Prestwich is also EXTRAORDINARY.<BR/><BR/>And so is sticking out FOURTEEN items of print in an "unwinnable" seat that John Leech himself is said to have rated "in the bag".<BR/><BR/>Of course he quickly left the Old Moat and Chorlton counts as his candidates each realised how they had been thrashed. He's a user IMO.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-84288731254637274552008-06-03T10:41:00.000+01:002008-06-03T10:41:00.000+01:00Here's the latest comment from http://www.libdemvo...Here's the latest comment from http://www.libdemvoice.org/henley-by-election-2761.html<BR/><BR/>'Jackie Pearcey Says: 3rd June 2008 at 8:12 am:<BR/>Yasmin,<BR/>I don’t want to go over old ground, but I was at a meeting in a room full of people when you specifically accused two senior Councillors of racism because they didn’t agree with you on the proposed boundary changes which we were going to put to the Boundary Commission as the Liberal Democrat proposals. <BR/><BR/>This caused a lot of offence, especially as the Councillors in question had worked very hard at assembling a complex jigsaw of proposals. You left everybody there the impression that if somebody didn’t agree with you then it had to be due to racism and sexism. An prompt and sincere apology would have stopped the whole sorry saga right there and then.'rob's unclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03001074396029714388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-60885507129196484952008-06-02T12:50:00.000+01:002008-06-02T12:50:00.000+01:00Firstly, that wasnt the real Tim Kinsella - far to...Firstly, that wasnt the <I>real</I> Tim Kinsella - far too crass.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, it seems a big price for Mr Rana to pay to become a candidate in a relatively safe Labour seat, which the Liberal Democrats think is unwinnable for a BME candidate according to you and Yasmin Zalzala. However, donations to Manchester Central Labour Party by <A HREF="http://www.askdevelopments.com/" REL="nofollow">Ask Property Development</A>, <A HREF="http://www.opalestates.co.uk/" REL="nofollow">Opal Estates</A> and <A HREF="http://www.opal-foundation.com/people/" REL="nofollow">Stuart Wall himself</A> do appear to be sound financial investments. Unfortunately for Ask, Gordon didn't read the script properly...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-54662996771419023012008-06-01T16:53:00.002+01:002008-06-01T16:53:00.002+01:00Apologies Yasmin if I have come across as pontific...Apologies Yasmin if I have come across as pontificating. I have simply given my own perceptions. <BR/><BR/>Re my own allegiances.<BR/><BR/>I am not a member of any political party - but voted for Yasmin and John Leech. If I were in a Tory-Labour marginal I would vote Labour. (now looks like a lost cause judging by the latest opinion polls though). If I were in Hulme I would vote Green. I am against one-party domination, and would like to see stronger opposition in Manchester - and an occasional change of control would not hurt.<BR/><BR/>All my opinion of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-73268489773806812782008-06-01T16:53:00.001+01:002008-06-01T16:53:00.001+01:00Apologies Yasmin if I have come across as pontific...Apologies Yasmin if I have come across as pontificating. I have simply given my own perceptions. <BR/><BR/>Re my own allegiances.<BR/><BR/>I am not a member of any political party - but voted for Yasmin and John Leech. If I were in a Tory-Labour marginal I would vote Labour. (now looks like a lost cause judging by the latest opinion polls though). If I were in Hulme I would vote Green. I am against one-party domination, and would like to see stronger opposition in Manchester - and an occasional change of control would not hurt.<BR/><BR/>All my opinion of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-40354506784215099512008-06-01T16:53:00.000+01:002008-06-01T16:53:00.000+01:00Apologies Yasmin if I have come across as pontific...Apologies Yasmin if I have come across as pontificating. I have simply given my own perceptions. <BR/><BR/>Re my own allegiances.<BR/><BR/>I am not a member of any political party - but voted for Yasmin and John Leech. If I were in a Tory-Labour marginal I would vote Labour. (now looks like a lost cause judging by the latest opinion polls though). If I were in Hulme I would vote Green. I am against one-party domination, and would like to see stronger opposition in Manchester - and an occasional change of control would not hurt.<BR/><BR/>All my opinion of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-31024950401573652342008-06-01T15:03:00.000+01:002008-06-01T15:03:00.000+01:00Apologies Yasmin, I have clearly misremembered you...Apologies Yasmin, I have clearly misremembered your position from the time, and I have of course seen you at various anti-war meeting since.<BR/><BR/>Apologies.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-58739840754010587732008-06-01T08:14:00.000+01:002008-06-01T08:14:00.000+01:00What is this talk of 'post YZ era'And where did th...What is this talk of 'post YZ era'<BR/><BR/>And where did this 'anonymous' Old Moat resident come up? <BR/><BR/>How convenient for people to hide behind anonymous and pointificate on the subject!<BR/><BR/>I am not dying and am very much present and hope to return to full active politicking when I recover from the treatment.<BR/><BR/>So there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-58080493351264318782008-06-01T03:45:00.000+01:002008-06-01T03:45:00.000+01:00Chris PaulPlease note this correctionI DID NOT SUP...Chris Paul<BR/><BR/>Please note this correction<BR/><BR/>I DID NOT SUPPORT THE IRAQ WAR<BR/><BR/>Please print an apology immediatelyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-38577577185242267912008-05-31T12:59:00.000+01:002008-05-31T12:59:00.000+01:00You don't reveal your political allegiances and me...You don't reveal your political allegiances and memberships if any anon. Even if you are right that Yasmin should now let it go this doesn't get away from the atrocious behaviour and indeed the continual defamatory remarks of the LDs.<BR/><BR/>I didn't say she would never have won Old Moat. She probably would not have done, given a strong Labour team. Did say that as she would not have perpetrated the Christie Cancer Hospital Closure Hoax she would probably not have won the parliamentary election.<BR/><BR/>AND as an Iraqi she also supported the war (like various Lib Dems did, as with other parties there was no genuine unanimity on liberal intervention, just opportunism).<BR/><BR/>But the question we have at the moment is meta-Yasmin. What is going on with this distantly-located candidate, this large donation, this ward choice for his candidature?Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-75679920117405057772008-05-30T21:12:00.000+01:002008-05-30T21:12:00.000+01:00What a sad tale. Yasmin is her own worst enemy I a...What a sad tale. <BR/><BR/>Yasmin is her own worst enemy I am afraid. <BR/><BR/> Speaking as an old Moat resident I have to say that she had lost credibility and had become an embarrassment towards the end of her political career. <BR/><BR/>You are right she would never have won Old Moat - quite simply she alienated too many people. <BR/><BR/>Certainly time for everyone to move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-71429752248692121462008-05-30T09:39:00.000+01:002008-05-30T09:39:00.000+01:00Well anonymousThis is now a question about Sufiyan...Well anonymous<BR/><BR/>This is now a question about Sufiyan Rana, a substantial donation to Leech, and a candidacy in a ward - old moat - where according to LD written and oral testimony the people were A1 bigots.<BR/><BR/>*************<BR/><BR/>The YZ matter is historical background.<BR/><BR/>The explanation you cite was the post-rationalisation trotted out after the fact by Simple Simon. In a sense she became "not a team player" AFTER they dropped her from the team. Which has a kind of logic to it.<BR/><BR/>It is of course true that the Old Moat vote didn't continue to go up, and indeed fell. That may reflect the resources and priority given to the seat. All the allegations about the bigotry of the residents of Old Moat need to be disregarded I think. Outrageous.<BR/><BR/>The Man Wit vote shot up under the Zalzala candidacy with the Tories all but destroyed. And it is probably also true that she would not have gone with the Christie Closure Hoax and so would not have won the seat.<BR/><BR/>If you read all the various items posted by Yasmin <A HREF="http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2007/08/ethnic-cleansing-race-cards-we-have.html" REL="nofollow">here</A> - and this does require some patience - you will see that the accusation of not being a team player etc came after she had refused to attend some kind of kangaroo court that was trying (and did) dump her as PPC and indeed council candidate.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-48122194421387207842008-05-29T22:44:00.000+01:002008-05-29T22:44:00.000+01:00The only official explanation I have heard was tha...The only official explanation I have heard was that she showed a lack of respect for colleagues. Seems about right to me. Not a team player!!!<BR/><BR/>I have no inside information - just a voter who knew one or two of the people involved - including Yasmin before she adopted her current style of dress.<BR/><BR/>My recollection also is that her council vote peaked around 1998, but I may be wrong there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-28242973255278808242008-05-29T22:18:00.000+01:002008-05-29T22:18:00.000+01:00Well, anonymous (why anonymous?) as discussed at L...Well, anonymous (why anonymous?) as discussed at LDV there are all sorts of reasons for changing candidates - even after two successful campaigns - but the reason given WAS to do with race and sex. What were secret emails circulating among Leech's supporters have become public. So we know that was the reason or the excuse in circulation.<BR/><BR/>Though I wouldn't be too surprised if there were other emails reflecting different reasons too. Perhaps you have some of those?<BR/><BR/>I see you are not taking up the challenge of explaining the connection or not between the extraordinary candidacy of a man from 10 miles away who does not fit the Lib Dems' own person spec for the ward and that man's £2,500 donation.<BR/><BR/>Yasmin is a point of departure. The story now is Sufiyan Rana, £2,500 for Leech, and an unusual candidacy from a not-local man.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-61222129346887059912008-05-29T21:03:00.000+01:002008-05-29T21:03:00.000+01:00Don't think that the decision to drop Yasmin had a...Don't think that the decision to drop Yasmin had anything to do with race - as I am sure the local Labour Councillors know full well, and I suspect you do too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-55822521691686236872008-05-29T19:34:00.000+01:002008-05-29T19:34:00.000+01:00Perhaps Mr Leech is cleverly holding back £23,000 ...Perhaps Mr Leech is cleverly holding back £23,000 to restore Angela's retirement nestegg at the last minute. He must feel very guilty about skinning a 69-year-old for her life savings, and then plotting to deselect her as a councillor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-906905160526934652008-05-29T17:06:00.000+01:002008-05-29T17:06:00.000+01:00Er sorry, Qassim Afzal that should say. He calls h...Er sorry, <A HREF="http://manchester-libdems.org.uk/news/000094/qassim_afzal_is_selected_for_manchester_gorton_constituency.html" REL="nofollow">Qassim Afzal</A> that should say. He calls himself "Afzal" to try and pass himself off as Afzal Khan. Since his blurb was written Lib Dems have lost FIVE council seats in the Gortonconstituency.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-44750839211831654682008-05-29T15:16:00.000+01:002008-05-29T15:16:00.000+01:00Don't see them in the listing. And no percent for ...Don't see them in the listing. And no percent for party scheme is there for Manchester's Lib Dems either. And strangely barrister Peter Rothery who definitely donated in this time period, and Karim Afzal ditto are not listed either.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38067964.post-69303701486647590412008-05-29T14:15:00.000+01:002008-05-29T14:15:00.000+01:00Has Chris Davies or Sajjad Karim not donated?Has Chris Davies or Sajjad Karim not donated?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com