Lib Dem Voice is my most regular Lib Dem blog visit. Utterly on message. Yet with an open approach to gainsaying.
Sometimes I will join in the comments banter and I have every reason to believe that this is highly appreciated by the yellow hordes.
Sometimes one or two of them appreciate my wisdom. But in general they call me names, or smear me, or John Leech assumes a false identity and says I'm obsessed with him, as if, and/or they treat me as if I'm a hugely important part of the Labour machine.
Alas, that's not quite true. (There'd have been no electile dysfunction if I were.) But then again neither are many of their stories. Quite true.
But Lord Greaves is a different kettle of fish. He does not stoop to the modern Lib Dem standard of cut and thrust. He was old school when the foundation stone was laid.
He is however most definitely grieving about the defection of young Sajjad Karim. His protegé really. Someone he has recruited. From teenage Tory - son of his father, a Tory councillor - and a card-carrying Young Conservative. To shiny young Lib Dem councillor and super-fast-tracked MEP candidate.
Here's our little exchange from Lib Dem Voice:
November 28th, 2007 at 2:47 pm Comment 109: Tony Greaves Says:
Someone a long way up this thread said: “Sajjad Karim was a conviction Tory before he was a Lib Dem councillor or MEP.”
Not true. He delivered leaflets for John Lee (then Tory MP now LD peer - “we have now both seen the light” - SK) at the age of seven - his father was a Tory member. He decided he was not a Tory once he started to think about things in his teens. He was a LD councillor in his early 20s. If he is now a conviction Tory (we all wait to find out) it is a very recent conversion.
So grieving Greaves would like to think. I am not sure whether it was Tony Greaves or the ruthlessly maverick Chris Davies MEP who decided how Sajjad Karim should be used in the 2004 campaign, but we'll come to that later.
November 28th, 2007 at 3:38 pm Comment 110 Chris Paul Says:
Lord Greaves: Is it not a fact that as well as the instance of child labour - presumably for sweets as recommended in “Effective Opposition”? - Sajjad was for a time a member of the Young Conservatives?
My analysis is that he became a Lib Dem partly because as in many areas of the NW your party has become the opposition to Labour and signing up to his dad’s dying party was not a good career move.
Your squeeze “Tories can’t win here” works on Tory voters, but activists too. There has certainly been little going for political life with the Tories in Manchester until very recently and even now where they do have some activity again it is not for the faint-hearted.
If you can show us results from Pendle at this time that showed Sajjad could look forward to representation and a political career as a Tory I’d be interested. I might even change my mind.
Lord Greaves was fingered early in the thread as a guilty party who prioritised BME over gender:
November 26th, 2007 at 11:40 am Comments 36 Dafs Says:
Egg on face for Lord Greaves I fear who fast-tracked Saj through the selection process last time, to the extent that he shamefully got the rules overturned which originally had male and female occupying the first two places on a list. Greaves got the party to agree that the highest placed woman candidate could be as low as three so that his boy could get number two in the NW. Shame that he never asked him if he was a Liberal Democrat.
But this was my tiddler of a post that got Greaves' goatee:
November 26th, 2007 at 11:18 am Comment 33 Chris Paul Says:
Sajjad Karim was a conviction Tory before he was a Lib Dem councillor or MEP. The Lib Dem campaign with him was communalist in my opinion and pretty disgraceful. He’s gone home.
This is not to say that the quotes about Cameron etc are not highly amusing and useful. Presumably the LD party have the keys to his website and he cannot take down all the incrimination therein?
And they did take down his site very soon afterward. There was also a bit of a PS to link with the mother lode and that communalist campaign rap which will surely come back to haunt them, good style:
November 26th, 2007 at 11:19 am Comment 34 Chris Paul Says:
http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2007/11/sajjad-karim-mep-goes-home-to-tories.html
PHOTO CAPTION: Councillor Lord Greaves presides over a load of old cobblers; here in Whitefield.